Quistion?

i know about the class 465 being built by B.R.E.L and METRO-CAMMEL,plus ABB,but i heard a prototype class 465 was converted for longer distance journeys and classified as a 465/3 to determine suitability,but before funding was authorised,these then became class 365s,is this true and does anyone know why it was reclassified at the last minute before production?

[hairyhandedfool]

Wikipedia seems to suggest it is true, I would suggest that their use on AC lines is the reason they are 365s rather than 465/3. Think of any unit introduced by BR and they tend to follow the trend below.

1xx - DMU
2xx - DEMU
3xx - AC Equipt EMU
4xx - Southern region DC only EMU
5xx - Non-Southern region DC only EMU.

The only exceptions I can think of are the 508s (which were initially put to work south of London) and possibly the 365s which were then used by Connex (did they have pans?).

The only other exceptions I can think of are much more recent, the 375/6/7 Electrostars, some of the 377s are dual voltage, the rest have only DC equipment.

[ROUGH TOR]

Originally Posted by hairyhandedfool

Wikipedia seems to suggest it is true, I would suggest that their use on AC lines is the reason they are 365s rather than 465/3. Think of any unit introduced by BR and they tend to follow the trend below.

1xx - DMU
2xx - DEMU
3xx - AC Equipt EMU
4xx - Southern region DC only EMU
5xx - Non-Southern region DC only EMU.

The only exceptions I can think of are the 508s (which were initially put to work south of London) and possibly the 365s which were then used by Connex (did they have pans?).

The only other exceptions I can think of are much more recent, the 375/6/7 Electrostars, some of the 377s are dual voltage, the rest have only DC equipment.

Don,t forget the Class 319.
Pretty much DC with a pan too.

[Flying Pig]

Originally Posted by hairyhandedfool

<snip>... and possibly the 365s which were then used by Connex (did they have pans?).

They were designed to be Dual Voltage, so when they arrived on the Southeastern they were only DC fitted, but there were cupboard voids where the 25kV equipment needed to go. They didn't have pans fitted until they went over to the GN, but I believe that the conversion was a relatively pain free process.

Evidence of the Dual Voltage design was that when a driver cut a 365 back in on the Southeastern he had to remember to press the DC Select button as well, otherwise the train would wake up but wouldn't move. At the time this was the only stock there that required this, and it caused a fair bit of confusion.

In fact just like a class 319 needs nowadays (Hint,hint for any SouthEastern drivers who sign them and can't get the AWS horn to stop )

[ROUGH TOR]

Ha ha
What a 319 needs is a visit to the scrapyard, along with the rest of the infernal museum pieces.
One way.
Good units, but they have been well hammered and it shows.
Oh, and the Continental Ice shelf accelerates faster!
They actually make a 465 look very good, which up until recently I would have found hard to believe, but as I say, the 319,s have been very well used indeed.
The difference between them now and when we first had them when they were new is very marked.