LU D stock for Harrogate?

[Shimbleshanks]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-14143032

[tonyharker]

Brilliant idea!

[pre65]

Excellent idea, it works on the IOW.

And surely, 3rd rail electric is ideal for other than high speed ?

[Dave Rowland]

.... "The power would come from a rail mounted a couple of feet above the track and a "current collector" would run along it, feeding electricity to the trains' motors. "

I wonder just where they got THAT information from? A COUPLE OF FEET????

[steam for ever]

It sounds like a wonderful idea. This stock is from 1967 is it not?

It should also provide badly needed extra DMUs to northern.

[Flying Pig]

Originally Posted by pre65

Excellent idea, it works on the IOW.

And surely, 3rd rail electric is ideal for other than high speed ?

3rd rail works very nicely up to 100 mph. I know some twonk from NR was poo-pooing it recently, but it's worked without any problems at 100 for class 319s and 377s on the Brighton Main Line in my experience as a driver. The shoe gear rides onto and off it without any problems from an operational point of view.

However what CRE doesn't do is snow. You just can't draw any traction current with even the finest coating of snow, in fact a light touch of ice can bring trains to a stand.

It's utterly hopeless - but hey I'm sure it NEVER snows in Harrogate, right ?

[Shimbleshanks]

Originally Posted by steam for ever

It sounds like a wonderful idea. This stock is from 1967 is it not?

It should also provide badly needed extra DMUs to northern.

It's not quite that old. The D stock was introduced in the early 1980s, I think. It has since had an internal refurb.

[Shimbleshanks]

Originally Posted by Flying Pig

3rd rail works very nicely up to 100 mph. I know some twonk from NR was poo-pooing it recently, but it's worked without any problems at 100 for class 319s and 377s on the Brighton Main Line in my experience as a driver. The shoe gear rides onto and off it without any problems from an operational point of view.

However what CRE doesn't do is snow. You just can't draw any traction current with even the finest coating of snow, in fact a light touch of ice can bring trains to a stand.

It's utterly hopeless - but hey I'm sure it NEVER snows in Harrogate, right ?

Yes, I was interested in the NR guy's comments about 80mph being the effective top whack on the third rail. Trains coming through Purley seem to be doing a good 90mph in the up direction, so I'm not sure where he's getting his figures from. There might be an issue with traction supply in the busier parts of the network but speed is going to be limited by signals and speed restrictions there anyway.

I guess the people in Yorkshire could get round the snow problem by going for the side-contact system that they used to use on the Manchester Bury line if they're going for a new-build. I suppose the one objection is that it wouldn't be compatible with the 25kv overhead electrification that already exists in the Leeds area.

[lesleyholly]

Originally Posted by steam for ever

It sounds like a wonderful idea. This stock is from 1967 is it not?

It should also provide badly needed extra DMUs to northern.

it may be a good idea but harragate coc had class 142 exchanged for 158 but the trains due not still fill is harragate going to invest in thier idea

[HM181]

In 1993 we electrified all the railway from Neville Hill to Skipton, Ilkley, Bradford Foster Sq.This was a missed chance to do the Harrogate line at 25KV. Perhaps onto York to join up with the ECML.
I would ask where the £ millions will come from.
The chance was missed in 1993.
This is just another pipe dream which will not come true.