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Originally Posted by steam for ever
Look at first.
Their trains are pretty bad and they use class 170's for everything.
Even the expresses are a three coach train which are often heavily overcrowded on the trip to scotland from manchester.
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To be fair, I've never had a problem with First Transpennine. The 185s (which they have 51 off, compared to only 9 170s) are quite comfortable units. I know that they have problems with overcrowding at peak times, but there's plenty of room to stand, which gives them an advantage over other dmus as far as I'm concerned. I'll never forget one particularily hellish journey I did on a voyager. I got on at Leamington Spa, and until Birmingham New Street I had so little space that I couldn't move my arms enough to get my phone out of my pocket!