Crane Crew Coach
 

Hi all! I'm starting to build a model railway, I'm retired now and like Mr Waterman I've decided to build something that was my first love before women got in the way of more serious things like railways many years ago. :)

I'm including a breakdown crane (Hornby) which I intend to respray in BR black. My question is this: What type of crew coach would have been used along with this in the late 1950''s to early 1960's? I'm thinking along the lines of BR Maroon MK1? .......GUV? BG? or something else? Can anyone help?

Hi Resolution (can't call you your name don't know it)
Breakdown trains were distinctive to each MPD they came from so you either need to be spot on or freestyle it


First make sure you get the date right as they started painting cranes red around 62ish (not certain of precise date) and it will depend on which region you are modelling as to what coach you need so if it's LNER sorry Eastern then you will need a Gresley coach resprayed LMS/Midland then you will need an ex LMS and so on

I've cheated slightly as I'm not prepared to pay out £38 for a new coach to mangle it I've used an old Midland 4 wheel coach as a stand in (until Ebay gives me on at the right price)

Also you need to check what Tool van you need as the 12T is not always the van of choice some used CCT's and others full brakes with roll doors added

IF you can get to Rowsley on Peak Rail they have a couple of Black Engineers Vans (ex LHCS) you could copy If you can't get then I think I have some pictures I can send you -- just PM your email address and they can be in the ether for you

As Gray said, breakdown trains were often the last resting place for old coaches. You could use one of the old Hornby Clerestory Coaches. Your can often find them in the odds and ends boxes at Exhibitions.

Best wishes,

John H-T.

You might find a bit more info here.
http://bdca.org.uk/index.html
Our Breakdown crane at Pickering uses a Gresley 1928 Brake compo, built for the Flying Scotsman service, as a crew vehicle although it has not been out of its shed for a few years now.

At HM in the 80's we performed on a mirade of ballast turns each Saturday/Sunday.
Quite a lot of the Track lifters, tampers and other kit were stored at Leeman Road, York.
As an idea, a track lifter would be in the train, with an old coach/ other vehicle adapted for use of the TL crew.
Thes vehicles were made up of time expired stuff.
The one I recall was from York, working at Marsden one Sunday.
This vehicle had been a varnished Gresley coach from the mid 1935 era.
Inside it had a brake van stove, a bed and a comfy sofa and cooking facilities. The lighting was in the shape of Tilley Lamps.
I always asked the PW lads if it was ok to have my snap away from the engine while on site.
One feature common to all these coaches was a large supply of girly magazines to keep you occupied having a browse.
The coaches and track machines were alway behind the locomotive when running on the main line, complete with a BR Form 29973.

Thanks all for your replies, most useful. I guess I have a bit of freeway then, I'm thinking late 50's to 1960 so should still be a black crane then, that's how I remember them anyway. I'll find some sort of old half brake or full brake I think in Maroon. The crane is dirty yellow at the moment and will need respraying black and fitted out with BR crests etc. After which both will need an application of genuine BR "dirty black" all over. Mmm! Not so sure what I can do about the girlie mags though...... :)

I think you'll find that most breakdown train cranes were red, not black, until painted yellow later.
Hmmmm.... 00 scale girly mags... that IS a poser. :)

My breakdown train consists of in order

20T fitted Brake van
Crane and runners Jib running backwards
crane match truck
tool van
Crew coach
two match trucks
going to put a tank in for water when I get round to repainting one
20T fitted Brake van

the four wheel coach is a stop gap, the crane has yet to be dirtied up,

But still re-wiring the board since one of grandkids grabbed a handful of wires and killed 75% of the layout so it gave me chance to tidy the wiring and make it a lot more child proof (got too many grandkids not to)

photo's are from the house insurance folder --- have you all checked what it would cost to replace your stock ??? I did and :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Only trouble its too clean.
This is more prototypical and note the tool boxes as well.

Is that at Wandsworth ????
got a photo of it all tucked up somewhere

Its the Newbridge crane at the NYMR normally lives in the shed in the background.
More detail on our website.
Link below in my signature.

OK on the red cranes Madcaravanner, Mmmh What years are we talking there, I'm sure I remember black. I have an old photo somewhere (in black and white unfortunately) from a crash at Dallam, Warrington around 1960 ish. It shows a crane lifting a tender and the top of a loco lying on its side (8f or black 5, not sure). I'll do some work on it and try and post it later. On the coach I've found something a little more modern.
It's a Hornby R4290 Centenary Brake Coach in Maroon circa 1935 (No. W4578W). It has 2 seating compartments at one end with windows, the rest of the coach is a Brake section with 2 sets of double doors each side. I've picked one up and hope that a bit of weathering will give it that I've been standing in a siding for 6 months and nobody cares about me look:)

....and yep! I'm still wondering whether my printer will be able to cope with the detail on a 4mm/ft girlie mag........:confused: It may be a good time for an upgrade!


P.S. I'm now looking for 4mm scale slings, chains, D links, jacks, bars, wedges, wooden blocks etc etc etc........:)

That coach sounds good I'm looking towards ex LMS/LNER stuff. I tried bidding on a bust clerestory roof LNER coach to dismantle and do up but it went skyrocket towards the end so I couldn't afford it ( not paying new price for a bust up item anyway)

IF you find the slings etc let me know I need some too still practicing on weathering before I do the bright red stuff I've got

Just browsing new posts and there's this link which throws a spanner in the works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBvPRfkpS1A&NR=1

Guess what there's Colwick's (Nottingham) breakdown train with what looks like a RED crane but BLACK coaches and it's from 1967

It's from 1964, Gray! All that traffic at Notts Vic. went in September 1966.

Regards, 62440.

It's OK for me that it's 1964 as my model layout is early 60's a bit further up the line from there so for me it means I can have black CMEE coaches and Red ones
:rolleyes: best or worst of both eras

I'm confused...........:confused:

Wonderful scenes at Nottingham Victoria BTW.........Takes me back that does! :)

BR mandated via a General Instruction in July 1959 that all breakdown cranes were to be painted bright red. This would most likely have been carried out when the cranes came in for their next (typically 5-yearly) heavy overhaul. The existing Western Region cranes sidestepped the mandate and stayed in black.

There's more about this in http://bdca.org.uk/modernisation.html

Welcome to the Forum Dizzy and many thanks for the link.

Best wishes,

John H-T.