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railwaybuddy 7th September 2010 13:52

underground strike
 
have you heard about the london underground strikes :mad:

what do you think about it?:rolleyes:
has it affected you?

HM181 9th September 2010 12:55

Go for it Bob. (RMT Member for 30 years, and proud of it.)

John_142 9th September 2010 13:23

I agree why should they cut Jobs just to save a few pounds, I say cut Child Benifits thats the problem withh this country too many Unemployed Single Parents give em condoms not money or even a free TV.

HM181 9th September 2010 17:36

They have plans to sack all the Tube drivers, and replace them with electronics.
That just needs a fuse to blow, and there you are back in the channel Tunnel.

railwaybuddy 16th September 2010 15:02

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Originally Posted by HM181 (Post 53501)
They have plans to sack all the Tube drivers, and replace them with electronics.
That just needs a fuse to blow, and there you are back in the channel Tunnel.

bad idea wat they are thinking of doing :mad:
with a driver they can most probably fix the problem and get it working again
having a drive is more reliable

enigma45 16th September 2010 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by HM181 (Post 53501)
They have plans to sack all the Tube drivers, and replace them with electronics.
That just needs a fuse to blow, and there you are back in the channel Tunnel.

If this is correct I dread to think what would happen in the event of a fire in a tube tunnel. As an ex tube driver I remember Holland Park. :eek:

HM181 16th September 2010 22:37

The argument is that if they can get men on the moon and back again to splash down on a tennis court of water in the Pacific in 1970, what can they do now.
Cruise Missiles come to mind.
As a long time railwayman and a NUR/RMT member any thing Bob does is right by me.
What did Arthur Scargill say about shutting pits, well it happened to some tune.
I would not trust a Politician/Senior Railway manager as far as I could throw them.
Its all about money and profit, not for us but the big companies.

Jim Christie 16th September 2010 23:49

To be fair I wouldn't trust Bob Crow as far as I could throw him (which isn't very far).
He's always struck me as an opportunistic, militant, stereotypical barrack room lawyer/whinger who perhaps isn't as clever as he needs to be for a man in his position.

In my opinion the RMT has never been the same since the passing of Jimmy Knapp.

John_142 17th September 2010 09:35

Isnt the Jubilie Line already Automated ?

railwaybuddy 17th September 2010 16:06

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Originally Posted by John_142 (Post 53790)
Isnt the Jubilie Line already Automated ?

not yet
thank god

HM181 17th September 2010 19:33

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Originally Posted by Jim Christie (Post 53781)
To be fair I wouldn't trust Bob Crow as far as I could throw him (which isn't very far).
He's always struck me as an opportunistic, militant, stereotypical barrack room lawyer/whinger who perhaps isn't as clever as he needs to be for a man in his position.

In my opinion the RMT has never been the same since the passing of Jimmy Knapp.

I recon Bob is all of what you say, and it pleases me that he is. I would rather have him watching my back than a load politicians who were out to get me.

railwaybuddy 17th September 2010 20:09

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Originally Posted by Jim Christie (Post 53781)

In my opinion the RMT has never been the same since the passing of Jimmy Knapp.

who is/was Jimmy Knapp???

pre65 17th September 2010 20:11

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Originally Posted by railwaybuddy (Post 53815)
who is/was Jimmy Knapp???

It does not take much effort to find out.:rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Knapp

railwaybuddy 17th September 2010 20:14

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Originally Posted by pre65 (Post 53816)
It does not take much effort to find out.:rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Knapp

ahhhhhhh so thats who he is
i have heard if it before, i cant remember now:confused:

HM181 19th September 2010 00:46

Jimmy Knapp told a Guards and Shunters conference at Torquay, that no DOO train would run on BR.
That was just after the miners strike in 1985.
I know as I was there.

enigma45 19th September 2010 12:26

If it wasn't for the like of Bob Crow and his line of predecesors of all rail unions railwaymen would still be working 18 hour days with no sick pay, rest days, comp leave or holidays. So don't get brainwashed by idiots who say he is a waste of space.

Bubblewrap 19th September 2010 18:08

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Originally Posted by enigma45 (Post 53868)
If it wasn't for the like of Bob Crow and his line of predecesors of all rail unions railwaymen would still be working 18 hour days with no sick pay, rest days, comp leave or holidays. So don't get brainwashed by idiots who say he is a waste of space.

I'll second that.

HM181 20th September 2010 12:58

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Originally Posted by Bubblewrap (Post 53873)
I'll second that.

Its the ill informed trainspotters again.
BOB does his job on the tube while bully boy managers rip up national agreements, and impose rosters that dont work.
You can always tell when there is a boss about, because they call a yard a shed, thier HV clothing is spotless and when they pick up a shunt pole, they put the curly bit under thier arms and ask me what its use is, and can I make it redundant?
Bob is OK with me, and we would be surfs if it was not for the Trade Unions.

enigma45 20th September 2010 19:29

Managers today think they know it all from books and college when they wouldn't know their knob from a steam pump. In my opinion the only and best teacher of ANY craft is experience on t'job.

Same goes for some of these lineside lawyers who seem to assume that all things railway are best learned from Ian Allen and railway press. It's alright sitting there taking train numbers and spotting this that and the other but that is not true knowledge. Oh these folk are dedicated alright but a hobby is not a vocation.

Bubblewrap 20th September 2010 21:15

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Originally Posted by HM181 (Post 53910)
Its the ill informed trainspotters again.
BOB does his job on the tube while bully boy managers rip up national agreements, and impose rosters that dont work.
You can always tell when there is a boss about, because they call a yard a shed, thier HV clothing is spotless and when they pick up a shunt pole, they put the curly bit under thier arms and ask me what its use is, and can I make it redundant?
Bob is OK with me, and we would be surfs if it was not for the Trade Unions.

I was saying that Bob Crow Is an OK bloke And I was seconding some one of that opinion
I am NOT a BLOODY trainspotter that I stopped doing in 1968 when steam friished.
I have been a Trade union member since I was 16, I am now 61.
I was also a member of the Labour party for 30 years till I got p****d of with TB in 2003.

enigma45 20th September 2010 23:54

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Originally Posted by Bubblewrap (Post 53925)
I was saying that Bob Crow Is an OK bloke And I was seconding some one of that opinion
I am NOT a BLOODY trainspotter that I stopped doing in 1968 when steam friished.
I have been a Trade union member since I was 16, I am now 61.
I was also a member of the Labour party for 30 years till I got p****d of with TB in 2003.


There you go. A man with principles [Bubblewrap] that had them destroyed by the shitbag Blair. I can never understand how that man got elected to be the party leader as it was obvious that he was anytyhing BUT a socialist and was out to destroy what had been created by men of dedication and integrity over many years. The Labour party regarded Ramsay MacDonald as a turncoat and yet failed to spot TheBloody Liar as a traitor. May he rot in hell. :mad:

Bubblewrap 21st September 2010 06:05

One problem the Tories are worse? who does one vote for?
My favourite man is Tony Benn a man vilified by the press(proves he's a good man) & greatly misunderstood.
It's always the same when someone stands up for the "working class".

enigma45 21st September 2010 07:09

We had better watch out as this thread is getting a bit political and we know what arguments politics and religion can cause. Suffice to say that we are all railway fans and we all have our heroes. Personally mine are people with left leaning policies except in the case of the EU and immigration. Nuff said.

enigma45 21st September 2010 07:12

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Originally Posted by Bubblewrap (Post 53935)
One problem the Tories are worse? who does one vote for?
My favourite man is Tony Benn a man vilified by the press(proves he's a good man) & greatly misunderstood.
It's always the same when someone stands up for the "working class".

Frank Field is another of Tony Benns stature too. I hope that Ed Miliband wins the leadership as he does seem to be more of a socialist than the others. We''ll see.


Bubblewrap 21st September 2010 10:10

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Originally Posted by enigma45 (Post 53937)
Frank Field is another of Tony Benns stature too. I hope that Ed Miliband wins the leadership as he does seem to be more of a socialist than the others. We''ll see.


I'll add one more name then shut up Denis Skinner.:)

railwaybuddy 1st October 2010 21:52

BEFORE I START WHAT HAS ALL OF THIS POLITICAL STUFF GOT TO DO WIV THE UNDERGROUND STRIKES??[/U]
NOW GOING BACK TO SUBJECT

CHANGING THE TOPIC BACK TO WHAT I CREATED IT FOR ...HEARD ABOUT MORE STRIKES PLANNED ON MONDAY 4TH OCTOBER NOT AGAIN:mad:
AND THERE IS MORE PLANNED IN NOVEMBER:mad::mad: I HATE THE UNDERGROUND DRIVERS AND LOOK WHAT DISTRUBTION THEY CAUSE
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE LATEST PLANNED STRIKES?
PLUS THE OTHER QUESTION IS
WILL THE STRIKE BE CANCELLED
WILL THESE PLANNED STRIKES AFFECT YOU?

Bubblewrap 1st October 2010 21:57

So they take whatever crap management throws at them tug the old forelock and lick the bosses..............................:mad:

railwaybuddy 1st October 2010 22:01

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Originally Posted by bubblewrap (Post 54346)
so they take whatever crap management throws at them tug the old forelock and lick the bosses..............................:mad:

what has that got to do wiv any of the questions i just asked
???

pre65 1st October 2010 22:04

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Originally Posted by railwaybuddy (Post 54347)
what has that got to do wiv any of the questions i just asked
???

It has a relevance to the reasons behind the strike action.

Don't get so het up railwaybuddy !:cool:

Bubblewrap 1st October 2010 22:07

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Originally Posted by railwaybuddy (Post 54347)
what has that got to do wiv any of the questions i just asked
???

I thought this thread was on about the tube strike and the reasons why the drivers were taking action.
Don't take action and management will walk all over the drivers impose unacceptable conditions.:mad:

railwaybuddy 1st October 2010 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by pre65 (Post 54348)
it has a relevance to the reasons behind the strike action.

Don't get so het up railwaybuddy !:cool:

just thought i would ask didnt know wat it meant thats all

railwaybuddy 1st October 2010 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubblewrap (Post 54349)
i thought this thread was on about the tube strike and the reasons why the drivers were taking action.
Don't take action and management will walk all over the drivers impose unacceptable conditions.:mad:

i know the condidtions are bad and i can see why they are striking in one respect but not in another

the drivers should be greatful that they have a job at the mo because of the difficult time we r all going through

Bubblewrap 1st October 2010 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by railwaybuddy (Post 54351)
i know the condidtions are bad and i can see why they are striking in one respect but not in another

the drivers should be greatful that they have a job at the mo because of the difficult time we r all going through

And if they didn't go on strike there would be job cuts anyway .:mad:

enigma45 2nd October 2010 16:16

Railwaybuddy, please calm down. You ask the question have we heard about the undergrtound strike the get your pants in a twist when you get valid answers.

Yes we've heard and the answers you got tell you why they are occurring. If management keep trying it on what other alternative do staff have other than strike if no progress is made.



And by the way....

PLEASE DON'T SHOUT AT US ALL LIKE THAT! I may be hard of hearing but others ain't

enigma45 2nd October 2010 16:25

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Originally Posted by John_142 (Post 53498)
I agree why should they cut Jobs just to save a few pounds, I say cut Child Benifits thats the problem with this country too many Unemployed Single Parents give em condoms not money or even a free TV.

Oh John...I so agree with you. Child benefit should be abolished and the money saved used for the upkeep of the children such as paying for kindergarten places, or school meals and school uniforms. That way the money is used for it's intended purpose and not fags and fings. :mad:

railwaybuddy 2nd October 2010 16:38

im not getting angry or up tight
im only asking
plus im only 14 years old:o so some of the thng you say i dont understand the i only ask wat they mean
oh... and thank you to everyones views

pre65 2nd October 2010 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by railwaybuddy (Post 54363)
im not getting angry or up tight
im only asking
plus im only 14 years old:o so some of the thng you say i dont understand the i only ask wat they mean
oh... and thank you to everyones views

I don't mean to be patronising Daniel, but at your age the world (and all that's in it) looks a lot different than it does to us "oldies".

However, you will learn, and experience much as you go through life.:D

Bubblewrap 2nd October 2010 19:59

Hi Railwaybuddy I accept now & understand your comments as I didn't know your age if you want to understand my(&others) position may I suggest a little light:rolleyes: read.
You may be able to get these book from the library.
The Railwaymen: The History of the National Union of Railwaymen (London: Allen & Unwin, 1963
The Railwaymen, vol 2, The Beeching Era and After (London: Allen & Unwin, 1982)

This 2 volume history will explain the struggle railwaymen had to get decent working conditions.

enigma45 2nd October 2010 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by railwaybuddy (Post 54363)
im not getting angry or up tight
im only asking
plus im only 14 years old:o so some of the thng you say i dont understand the i only ask wat they mean
oh... and thank you to everyones views

My apologies to you then Daniel. You'll get a lot of wise advice and explanation from forum members [not me lad I'm a dumb old fart] But I am sure that if you need any specific questions answered in a simple way the lads and lassies will do that for you too
:p


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