class 60 s
 

on board a service what went through toton yard today it looks like a dumping ground for class 60 s lines off them scattered in the yard and round the shed area didn t bother trying to count them there was too many .what a shame for these powerfull loco s certainly look and sound better than the numerous class 66 s:(

wnxx lists no less than 75 of the class at Toton currently.

Regards, 62440.

Hi The 60,s are a powerful Locomotive they had afew reliablity problems when they where new but settled down over the years .Ideal for large coal trains ,container train etc. cant understand why they have been sidelined especialy when they are not that old. thankyou Mike

Class 60's good engines, nice ride, take 2600 tons trailing with no bother at all.
Compare 66 against a 60, there is no comparison 60's win by a mile.

Main problem with class 60's they are all coming upto "F" exams at £500,000 a go.
That's why EWS/GB Schenker want to get rid of them !
Shame really wonderful locos to work on, they would pull anything,a class 66 is a very poor tool in comparison .:eek:

In 2003 we had an opencast coal flow for an opencast beside the M1 close to It junction with the M62.
The coal was trucked into Hunslet East, Leeds and digger loaded into the train of MGR's for transportation to the power station at West Burton, Nottingham.
Worksop drivers worked the train in and out of Hunslet East and to the Power station.
Healey Mills Groundstaff supervised the loading of these trains and supplied the required vehicle examination of th HAA'a on arrival /departure.
In the first week class 66's were used for these trains, and each day the train stuck on the steep gradient out of HE.
To get round this, the train ad to be split in half so the 66 had to trip the train in two goes upto Neville Hill behind L783 sub.
This messing about was rectified very quickly by the Coal Desk in the Wendy House at Doncaster providing a class 60 for this job.
When the 60 came onto a fully loaded MGR set, it flew upto Neville Hill and was away in fine style back to Worksop. EWS were very slow learners in such things.
This job lasted a year till the coal ran out.

A class 60 was seen at Basford Hall today on an infrastructure train. Not sure which, maybe 60014 - is that still running ?

60014 is listed on wnxx as stored at Toton yard. 60010/11/16 are the lowest numbered still currently active I believe, but the situation is "fluid".

Regards, 62440.

So, could we say that the 60 was like the 9F steam compared to the 66 being like the 8F ?:D

At 1/2 million a go those examinations are pretty thorough, more like a total rebuild.

What would the scrap value of a working 60 be ?

If a heritage line bought one would the same rules apply re the F examination ?

If you wanted to run the Class 60 on the main line,then yes the same rules would apply.

These locos would have been a lot more reliable had EWS maintained them properly.
As for container trains, they are not suitable, having a max speed of 60mph, container trains run as class 4, 75mph.

Well it seems to me that a "Lott A Lotta" money is being wasted somewhere within the modern railway !!!

But perhaps it is just me.

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So, if a class 60 has a max speed of 60mph, are they geared down for increased tractive effort ?

Is that why they are more powerful (in terms of freight tons hauled) than the more common class 66 ?

From my spotting book:-

Class 60. Max. T.E. 500 kN (106500 lbf)
Continuous T.E. 336 kN (71570 lbf @ 17.4 mph)

Class 66. Max. T.E. 409 kN (92000 lbf)
Con. T.E. 260 kN (58390 lbf @15.9 mph.)
Class 66/6 Max. T.E. 467 kN (105080 lbf)
Con. T.E. 296 kN (66630 lbf @ 14.0 mph)

Hope this helps.

Regards. 62440.

60074 has spent the last fortnight on driver refresher between carlisle/ Dumfries and Falkland yard, so perhaps there is still hope for the tugs yet

60074 is the usual on the mid cheshire line. I was wondering where it went. Why they chose this engine is beyond me as there are plenty of others stored. This one was busy being useful. Now all I've got is a grubby 66 to look at. :(

I've heard that gearing the Class 60's at 60MPH was a political decision within BR. At the time, BR knew they wanted a new freight loco and they went to all the different freight sections to ask them to help pay for it. All the different sections agreed to help foot the bill except Freightliner, but the other sections figured that Freightliner would still make use of the loco's even if they didn't help to pay for them. To make it unviable for Freightliner to use the 60's, they geared them to run at just 60MPH because they knew that all Freightliner trains were booked to run at 75MPH.

Yes to your second question though. The lower gearing is the reason why they can pull heavier loads.