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rogerbakeruk 16th April 2010 15:46

Please forgive me
 
I would like to get as many people as possible visiting my stepfathers website

pre65 16th April 2010 16:05

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Originally Posted by rogerbakeruk (Post 45635)
I would like to get as many people as possible visiting my stepfathers website


"Clan Line" is most certainly NOT a Britannia pacific !:eek:

I had a peek at the pictures, and to be quite honest they looked very "amateurish" ! Not that I could do anything like them myself, but compared to another railway artist who showed his wares on here recently they don't begin to compare. Sorry !

62440 16th April 2010 19:38

I totally agree Philip, there are several other glaring inaccuracies on there, "Bridgnorth Flyover" looks rather like Worting flyover to me, the one arriving at "Bewdley" is somehow doing the impossible and entering Bridgnorth "from the north", and there hasn't been grass growing out of that platform in all the time I've known it (since 1969), I could go on.........

Regards 62440.

Tony 16th April 2010 19:38

Tell your father in law that railway sleepers are ALWAYS horizontal whatever your viewpoint. It is a point that amateur artists sometimes miss and it makes trackwork look silly.

DaveJ 17th April 2010 16:22

Sadly have to agree with the above comments - not for me I'm afraid.

John H-T 18th April 2010 21:58

I have to agree with all the above comments. £50-60 will buy you a print by a number of respected members of the Guild of Railway Artists whose work is of a much higher standard.

There is an Exhibition of Rail Art at Eastwood in Nottinghamshire 16th May- 13th June featuring work by members of the GRA. I will try and find more information.

Best wishes,

John H-T.

John H-T 18th April 2010 22:05

Here is a link for the Rail Art Exhibition at Eastwood:

http://www.railart.co.uk/

Best wishes,

John H-T.

rogerbakeruk 19th April 2010 10:45

Thanks for your feedback
 
I have sent a link to my stepfather so he can read what you guys are saying. He is always thankful for feedback and appreciates you taking the time to view and comment on his art.

John H-T 19th April 2010 13:14

Hi Roger,

Looking back through the comments above including my own I hope they do not appear too harsh. However railway enthusiasts can be a "picky lot" and tend to have quite definate ideas about Railway Art. If you have followed the link above I am sure you will agree that the quality of the work produced by members of the GRA is of a very high standard. Even so prints do not command particularly high prices. Railway enthusiasts are a tight fisted bunch and do not readily part with much more than £50-60 for a print, even by the top railway artists. Equally originals rarely command prices much higher than a couple of thousand, perhaps twice that for the best unless your name is David Shepherd!

Hope these comments are useful.

Welcome to the Forum and I look forward to your posts.

Best wishes,

John H-T.

rogerbakeruk 19th April 2010 13:40

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Originally Posted by Tony (Post 45653)
Tell your father in law that railway sleepers are ALWAYS horizontal whatever your viewpoint. It is a point that amateur artists sometimes miss and it makes trackwork look silly.

Sorry I don't understand this! I am not arguing I am just trying to have my ignorance explained.

If the tracks in the image are diagonal from background left to foreground right how can the sleepers be horizantal??

Also doesn't the angle they appear depend on the angle of elavation.

Surely they need to appear at the correct angle in relation to tracks?? and parallel to each other.

Please go easy on me I am not an artist in any way shape or form, I would just like some clarification. All I have to base my questions on are fleeting memories of being taught perspective at school (some 20 yrs ago)

rogerbakeruk 19th April 2010 14:27

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Originally Posted by pre65 (Post 45638)
"Clan Line" is most certainly NOT a Britannia pacific !:eek:

Again forgive my ignorance is "Brittania Pacific" different from "Pacific"?

I found this-(thumbnail)

35028 “at home” outside Stewarts Lane Shed
during Members’ Open Day 2010
(Photograph by Peter Starks)



Merchant Navy Class Locomotive
No. 35028 "Clan Line"

Clan Line is an ex British Railways "Pacific" Class (4-6-2) steam locomotive owned and maintained to mainline standard by the Merchant Navy Locomotive Preservation Society. She is based in London at Stewarts Lane Depot, and she returned to steam in November 2006 after a major overhaul which took five and a half years to complete.

on this site: http://www.clan-line.org.uk/

Again I am not arguing I only have my stepfathers opinion on these things and an ability to look into stuff online.

Tony 19th April 2010 20:13

Dear Roger,
It may seem daft to anyone who doesn't analyse what is in their view i.e. a non artist, but if you look at photographs, you will see that sleepers are ALWAYS horizontal. I know that when you look at real railway track this isn't apparent.
It also follows that water is flat in the horizontal position. Try drawing a river with ripples NOT in the horizontal plane and you will see that it looks wrong.

On the "Pacific", this name is given for the 4-6-2 wheel arrangement of the loco. There are many different types of Pacific such as; Merchant Navies (Clan Line), Britannias, A4's (Mallard) and so on. Each class is different, but thay are all Pacifics.

Regards, Tony.

rogerbakeruk 26th April 2010 14:24

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Originally Posted by Tony (Post 45788)
Dear Roger,
It may seem daft to anyone who doesn't analyse what is in their view i.e. a non artist, but if you look at photographs, you will see that sleepers are ALWAYS horizontal. I know that when you look at real railway track this isn't apparent.
It also follows that water is flat in the horizontal position. Try drawing a river with ripples NOT in the horizontal plane and you will see that it looks wrong.

On the "Pacific", this name is given for the 4-6-2 wheel arrangement of the loco. There are many different types of Pacific such as; Merchant Navies (Clan Line), Britannias, A4's (Mallard) and so on. Each class is different, but thay are all Pacifics.

Regards, Tony.

OK I think I understand "horizontal" in relation to the land! not "horizontal" in terms of picture position!
Thanks for the Pacific clarification.

Squeaky88 26th April 2010 14:54

am not too sure cos although I'm only 21, i do know that railway tracks have to be parallel and horizontal. I'm not being mean, just being honest.

Tony 26th April 2010 18:07

Dear Roger,

Sorry I didn't make myself clear. The majority of people do not register the detail of what they are looking at in real life, so the fact that sleepers are always horizontal is not apparent. If you look at a photograph, such a thing is more apparent because you tend to take in more detail. If the sleepers looked anything but horizontal, the track would look twisted.


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