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Engine sounds
45/1 engine note
I have recently been listening to some of my old train recordings. And it seems that 45/1's make a different sound to 45/0's, 46's and 47's. Is this true ? 45/1's are characterised by slowly building up the power then a whoosing type sound then a high pitched wine. Whereas 45/0's 46's 47's have a throaty rythmic build up of revs similar to the smaller engined sulzers. Which in my opinion is a much richer pleasant sound to the 45/1's. Do the 45/1's make a different sound or have i imagined this? I know the 45/1's had their auxillary generation gear removed and replaced with a brush alternator. Would that make a difference to the engine note ? Any one got any answers ? I always found 45/1 recordings non descript and dissapointing once the tickover turned into acceleration. |
Could it be that Class 45/1 locos were fitted with an Electric Train Supply alternator and Classes 45/0, 46 and some 47's had steam boilers?
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Favourite sounding diesel Locomotive
I started this thread after listening to some old audio tapes of mine.
After steam (although my interest started in 1979) the railways must have been amazing with all those different classes of diesels making incredible sounds. What class of loco sounded the best ? Has anyone got a particular favourite or one they don't like ? Is there any modern day loco's on the mainlines today that sound good ? Or do we need to get our fix of sounds at the many excellent diesel gala's on preserved lines ? Can anything beat the hum and roar of the Deltic ? |
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I don't know but i never really got a good recording of a 45/1 accept for a high pitched wine, there was no rich revving like the other sulzers. |
My favourite loco sound has to be the Class 50 and for high reving its predecessor the good old western class 52 and the unique deltics are hard to beat.
Re the 45/1, I don't know much about them, but superchargers are often linked to the sound you discribe (my Hunslet loco has this trait (Rolls royce supercharged engine)) but I don't know if the 45/1's had them fitted. Regards |
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Good sound, English Electric engine, like a 40 but without the whistle. Unfortuately Westerns were withdrawn before i had the chance to experience them. i have yet to hear one live. The Westerns were considered a rival to the mighty Deltics. 45/1's could it be that the drivers were more gentle with them ? |
This has reminded me that in my record collection I have "Western Sunset" on LP recorded on 29th March 1975.
Don't think I've ever heard a Western in real life so perhaps I will play it tonight and see what they sound like. Locos were D1036 Western Emperor and D1052 Western Viceroy. |
For me it has to be the sound of the English Electric 20's, 37's and 40's although I do have a soft spot for the 50's and the Western 52's.
Of the more modern locos I think the 57/3's sound like they mean business especially when working hard on the "Chirk Logs":) |
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I see and hear what you mean ! The body of a 47, a reworked class 56 alternator and a GM engine. No wonder they are knicknamed thunderbirds they sound like jet aircraft. Have to say though i prefer the original gravilly sound of the sulzer. Where's the clag ? These GM engines seem better for the environment. |
I liked the whistler. The peak was another engine I liked the sound of. They just weren't the sound you were hoping for in the sixties, when you knew they were the death knell of steam!:mad: Funny though, we got to like diesels, and bemoaned their passing. i used to go and see the last few 40's at springs branch.:)
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HST's looked and sounded great but they introduced the concept of fixed train units for expresses and nationwide standardisation (not forgetting that dmu's had led the way) which greatly reduced the pleasure for the enthusiast. Diesels had an extra dimension to steam (a variety of sounds) and carried on where steam left off. But the character of the railways today has all but vanished. 40's had everything,rugged looks and amazing sound. so i can understand how steam fans found consilation in diesel loco's. |
As teenagers in the 60's witnessing diesels displacing steam we all hated diesels, however sound played a major part in a grudging acceptance of some locos. In Scotland we couldn't get excited about Birmingham/Sulzer type 2's nor indeed the dreadful NB type 2's but the 40's had an intriguing "business-like" sound and of course the Deltics in sound and sensation were magical. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, the sound of a Deltic entering Edinburgh Waverley station, even light engine, penetrated your whole body, made the ground and station shake and gave you a huge sense of excitement and anticipation - almost, but not quite, as good as an A4, A3, A2 or A1 on the same Anglo Scottish services. I rarely experienced Hoovers in those years but later was most intrigued by their unique sound. I appreciated the performance of the electrics in the late 70's and 80's but on arriving at Euston and walking past the loco, it was completely dead apart from the characteristic "ticking" - what was that, by the way?
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Electrics are impressive at high speed with the sparking on the wires but otherwise they are boring. Always exceptions though the 76's on the woodhead route had a following.
I don't know what the ticking is and does anyone know why 85's made a roaring sound ? |
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NB type 2's tell me more, were they knicknamed "sadeyes", what sound did they make ? |
The NB type 2's may well have been nicknamed "Sadeyes" - not one I know but seems appropriate. My old ian Allan ABC reveals underlinings under nearly every one from D6100 to D6157 and I applied little red dots to those which had pulled a train on which I'd been on. (10 little red dots!) They became class 29's but I can't really recall in words how they sounded other than describing it as "uninteresting"!
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There was a similar looking deisel hydraulic on the western region known as class 22's they had Man engines and proved more reliable. Again all were scrapped, although one was to be preserved but Swindon Works cut it up by mistake ! They looked like quirky little engines, i wonder if anyone recorded them in action, sight and sound. |
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