Deltic-VS-U.S.A's Big Boy
 

what loco do you thinks better out of the 2,give a reason and why you favoured the loco you choose

NO CONTEST!! The Big Boy was the biggest living, breathing steam engine ever built. They were built for long distance coal trains. The Deltics were very noisy, smelly tin cans on wheels. Granted, they were fast when they worked, but how many times did they finish a long run on one engine?

I don't think it would be fair to compare these two locos as they were built for different types of traffic the "big boys" were built to haul "VERY" heavy freight over steeply graded track & were capable of hauling 3,000 tons+
& thus were not built for speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOFD8FDaDI4
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/

The Deltics were built to replace 55 east coast pacifics & were capable of 100mph+ but were not expected to haul more than 600 tons or so.

A more appropriate American counterpart for the Deltic would be the Alco PA-series, a passenger diesel that's about equally loved.

Going by the remark above saying that a deltic was a tin can on wheels
I think it was a bit more than that with having
a maximum tractive effort of -222kn {50000ibf}
weight of 100t
and a engine of two napier-deltic D18-25 of 1230kw {1650 h.p} each at 1500 r.p.m and main generators two english electric 829/1A its still one of
the best diesel locos the world has seen. and it still has a big amount of fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xSbmBhFnQk

dunno bout that...it did the job but was very expensive and therefore not very efficent in those terms. Id say the HST power cars are higher on the list of the best diesels the world has ever seen....as passenger units, they are probably at the top of that list.

As someone who likes big, loud, powerful, overpowered and most importantly obsurd machines, I love the Deltic more than anything else, like, ever.

Wearing a suit behind a desk, a Deltic is a bad idea. In terms of giving me fits of giggles? Deltics rule.

I think the latter is most important. :D

Deltics were noisy even if you were sat in the cab.:eek:

well they should be for the lengh of time that they have been in service
but for looks, noise, its got to be the deltics before a hst any day

They were always noisy.
I remember them when first built & worked on the when a second man at Kings Cross 1967 - 71.

Yes and i tell you what they were not built for big guys like myself HA HA
very narrow once you get through the door

Another problem in the days of steam heat the boiler (Spanner Mk2?)was between the two engines very noisy even with ear defenders.
The Deltics & some class 40s were fitted with a water scoop.

Couple more links for you to have a look at-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_aGj8R1Qs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGj46VzRuuk

Who else noticed the steering wheel just before the end of the first video?
John (G)

Hand/Parking brake.

nice one bubblewrap you beat me to it

Naw,
If not the steering wheel must be for winding up the spring.
John (G)

You guys should know by now that John (G) is a wind up merchant.
(sorry John, just couldn't help it)

Well Syd,
I do try to add a little humour to the more serious side of life.
John (G)

yes and its a bit like me saying a steam train is just a kettle on wheels

What about the "Golden" Rivet? :p :rolleyes: :D

When I first started building model steam engines,
Must have been back around 1956 or 57 there appeared in the Model Engineer magazine some pictures of little steam engines made from household implements. One in fact was a Kettle on wheels, another was an old Flat Iron so no matter what you might think about steam engines quite often the thoughts had already been turned into practice. At least the dirt from a steam engine is easy to remove unlike the soot from inside a diesel which I am convinced can still be seen under my skin having been there from about 1960.
Who's turn next?
John (G)

TRY WASHING ITS CALLED HAVING A BATH:p

You have never worked inside a big diesel engine then,
Finely divided soot particles get into the pores of your skin and no amount of washing the outside gets rid of it. All of this is a long way from the original topic under discussion but fun to go along with however BBs for huge loaded trains stretching over the hills and Deltics for getting somewhere the same day, sort of like comparing a cart horse with a mail coach horse. Neither is better than the other as they were intended for different uses. Actually I do not particularly like either but that is completely irrelevant but each good for it's intended purpose so I consider them to be equals.
John (G)
(Ex Diesel fitter on large stationary generating sets)

[QUOTE=Gandalf;26948]You have never worked inside a big diesel engine then,

worked on a 37 and that has been about it

Deltic's are the only diesels I like, and I think its because of the sound, there was one at Shildon's diesel gala last weekend, the sound was brilliant.

Big Boys are my favourite American loco's, I think its their size and power. The American version of a 9f.

Picking between them is hard, but as I'm british, I'll pick the Deltic.

It's not a very good question I don't think. you can compare two locomotives in the same sort of category (like you did in your '365 vs 465' thread) but these arent even the same power type.

PS I'd always go for the British one.

They are both great designs, fit for perpose. They don't compare so it impossible to say which was better!