Mileage help.
 

Hi,

My first post here and I wondered if anyone can help.

I have the old Miles and chains books (all five) and until recently I have been on with getting my mileage etc.

With St. Pancras International (First Capital Connect) station opening I wondered if any one knew the distance in decimal (or miles and chains) between the new station and the following stations?

Farringdon.
West Hampstead Thameslink.


Also with the new station at Mitcham Eastfields the distances between thre and Streatham and Eastfields and Mitcham Juntion?



Also with new spurs and lines opening up maybe anyone who knows these bit of info could post them here to help others.

Thanks for the help in advance.

Lensmeister.

Hi Lensmeister, welcome to the forum. Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I'm sure someone on the site will. Hope you get the required information soon but in the meantime enjoy the forum.

Greetings Lensmeister.

By miles and chains books are your refering to something like Quail maps?

http://www.trackmaps.co.uk/diagrams.htm

Would the next London Area book "due September/October" have these updates? Sorry, I dont know a great deal about it


While browsing on this subject I found this map:-
http://www.systemed.plus.com/New_Adl...lway_Atlas.pdf
It seesm to be a 1MB pdf file, which allows you to zoom in. What is nice is that it highlights new and old lines but unfortunatley only for southern half UK.

Thanks everyone.

I haven't ever looked at the atlas' in the past. I might take a look in Motorbooks in October time.

The old Miles and Chains books are very old about 1988 I think.

:)

EDIT:

Having had a look at the maps above I can't see any milages etc. Thanks anyway

Welcome to the forum lensmeister.
Paul.

How about taking a satnav with you on a train journey. It might go barmy and tell the train to take the next right etc. but it should tell you speed and distance travelled - and set it to required units ie miles / kilometers etc it could help ;)

I probably didn't make sense (as usual :D ). The 1MB map wouldnt answer your question, but I thought it might be useful to others. I have kept a copy myself.

I think robbo's GPS idea is probably the best quick-fix for your question.

Hi everybody, I just surfed in here.

As I'm sure you know, THE defining book of what goes where on the railway is the Sectional Appendix. Unfortunately neither Mitcham Eastfields nor St Pancras International Low Level have appeared as new inserts for the SA yet (well not my copy anyway). When I get the chance I'll have a look at the latest Periodical Operating Notice and so long as they're still in there I'll post the mileages on here.

In the meantime the best I can do is tell you what you probably already know. :D

1) Eastfields Level Crossing is located at 9m and 19ch. Since this lies bang slap between the up and down platforms it could possibly be defined as the position of the new station, but I'll confirm when I can. Streatham is definitely at 7m 48ch and Mitcham Jn is at 10m 30ch.


2) Kings X tunnel extends between 1m 59ch and 2m 56ch. Obviously St Pancras International Low Level is somewhere in between. Farringdon is at 0m 62ch and West Hampstead T/L is at 3m 73ch.

HTH,
Fying Pig

Hello and welcome to the forum Flying Pig, I hope you enjoy it.

Hi Flying Pig and Lensmeister,

Welcome to you both. Hope you enjoy the Forum.

Best wishes,

John H-T.

Welcome to the forum Flying Pig, I remember coming home from school behind one of your engines.
Paul.

Right, I managed to hunt down a couple of publications so I can put some definite numbers in nowSurprisingly St Pancras International Low Level hadn't made it into the LMR Sectional Appendix, but typically for the Railway I found it in the LNER updates for Feb 2008 :rolleyes:

To prevent arguments later, let me make it absolutely clear that the MILEAGE DATUM I'm using is MOORGATE as 0m00ch.

This makes sense as all three stations lie on the Moorgate lines, however confusion can occur as there are two others datums (data ?) that crop up sometimes for stations on this route...(1) The LMR/SR boundary in Snowhill Tunnel, and (2) St Pancras Mainline.

Also sadly the LNER Sexual Appendage only covered the LMR as far as Kentish Town, but hopefully Lensmeister should already have the distance from there to West Hampstead TL.

What I have then is...

Farringdon 0m62ch
St Pancras Int LL 2m11ch
Kentish Town 3m40ch

If my base80 algebra is correct,
Farringdon - St Pancras Int Low Level is 1m29ch
and
St Pancras Int Low Level - Kentish Town is also 1m29ch

Spooky or what ? ;) So St Pancras lies bang slap in between the two existing stations.

It's not quite the answer to Lensmeister's question, but it should be enough to get him sorted.

Right, on this one I don't know what the Mileage Datum was because it came from the Periodical Operating Notice so I didn't have all the pages (I'm guessing it might be Victoria Central side). :o

Anyway the location of Eastfields was confirmed as 9m19ch, so once again if my base80 algebra is correct, taking...

Streatham as 7m48ch
Eastfields as 9m19ch
Mitcham Jn as 10m30ch

Streatham - Eastfields is 1m51ch
Eastfields - Mitcham Jn is 1m11ch

As a quick check that gives the distance from Streatham to Mitcham Jn as 2m62ch, which is correct in my SA. Phew !

Well I hope this is of some use use, and I hope I haven't shamed myself in front of the world as a maths klutz.

F.P.

Many thanks all.

Flying pig ... thanks this is indeed helpful ... I know on the Kings Cross Thameslink (oh how i wish it was till open) Northbound platform that is a bridge maker saying 1 mile 54 chains ... So I am asuming this is from the Boundry point between Farringdon and City Thameslink and that particular bridge.

I was going to add to this thread ... Anyone else that needs miles and chains ... I have the books and i can look it up for you.

Or post on this thread and any that my books are missing we can get them together and I'll try and produce some Excel sheets on them to help out.

Maybe even have all of them up todate in the future. :)

Nope it really looks like the Moorgate datum again, as the Midlands Region Sectional Appendix (8 June 2003) page 2.5.2 gives the distance from Moorgate to Kings X T/L as 1m55ch.

Lensmeister, the system won't let me send a reply to your PM (have you got a setting that is causing this ?) so I'm posting the reply to your question here.

Hi Neil, The Sectional Appendix is a loose-leaf publication in A5 format inside a hard binder. I've never had to buy a copy, and they used to be a restricted publication (Ie, specifically NOT to be shownto the public) But since Privatisation anything seems available for a price. A quick Google gives a link to here...www.willsonshop.com/subcategory.asp?sid=5

Or if you just want the odd page I could scan it and Email it to you. The copies I own are Network Rail Midlands Region & NR Southern region.

Incidentally as an aside - did you know that you can download the entire Driver's Rulebook FOR FREE from here...www.rgsonline.co.uk/rail/rule_modules.html ?

HTH,
John

Cheers mate ....

When payday comes about (not often enough) I'll invest in the Southern area one :)

Cheers again for all your help.

Neil I can't stand by and watch you spend your hard earned money. ;)

I've still got an old copy of the Southern Sectional Appendix which you can have for nothing if you like. There's no binder and it's out of date, but you can't knock a freebie !!

Just PM me with an address to sent it to.

Cheers,
FP.

I'm surprised that there is nothing like the old Miles and Chains books available nowadays. I've got the Eastern, LM and Scottish ones, and would welcome having up to date versions of these. Surprised there is no Website that gives this information either ...