If Your on time you will miss your train
 

If Your on time you will miss your train

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/...1466-20103930/

what are they going to do? shut the doors on the queue boarding....? check passengers through the gate and not let them on train? Unrealistic and poor service.

Yet another stupid idea by some university graduate who does not live in the real world or has any understanding of how railways work.
what next a 30min check in for security purposes?(get your ID cards ready:rolleyes: )

This kind of thing was always going to happen once the network was broken up into different companies. Remember the days when a connecting train would be held once it was realised that the main line service was late?

It makes sense if you ask me. Put it this way, would you turn up for your 14:30 flight to Paris, at 14:30? No, you allow plenty of time. Granted, there is check-in etc, but you get the idea.

By and large, people know what time their train is, and should get there early anyway, in case of unforseen delays.

Sir,
Where are you getting this rubbish statement from?

Yes the passanger timetable and the working timetable can and do differ by one or two mintues but differance is:

If the pass timetable says that the train departs at say 1512hrs then then our timetable the working time table may say 1514hrs, so therefore if you turn up on time for your train then NO you will not miss it.

Les

Sir I had no idea I had been included in the new years Honours list.

The rubbish statment came from here and manners cost nothing. good day


http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/...1466-20103930/

I think this sort of thing depends on the context. I could understand this with a local train services, stopping at every station, it would need to constantly keep on time in order to satisfy everyone and avoid delays. If this was an intercity service (e.g. like Virgin Pendolino going non stop between London Euston and Crewe) it woulnd't be fair on passengers if this left early.

I don't know what all the fuss is about. Arriva Trains Wales aren't really doing anything new. In this country train doors have always been shut (and in recent years, locked) before the train departs and it usually takes approximately 30 seconds. Surely, nobody in their right mind would deliberately arrive at a station less than 30 seconds before the published departure time? As for "staff making use of whistles to signal imminent departure to all concerned", Arriva certainly don't have a monopoly on that. It happens at larger stations all over the network every day.
I think it's another case of the media looking for problems that don't actually exist just so they can have another "dig" at the railways.

Nobody is talking about leaving early, in fact it is contrary to the Drivers Rulebook to do so. What they actually said was...

Most Train Operators nowadays have a policy of closing the doors anything from 15 to 30 seconds prior to departure time, to enable the train to LEAVE exactly on time.

Obviously this only valid if the train is running to schedule. If there is a variation such that it comes in late, or not on the advertised platform, or the passengers are delayed from boarding by the actions of the TOC itself, then the train will have to wait for them.

To be honest I was being rather general. I know TOCs like TPX have had '30 second rules' in place for some time which were included in their timetables, but again these are intercity services and you would expect passengers for long distance to be definitely on time, like a flight. But local commuting trains are different, like buses, you look at the time on the board, and expect it to not go any earlier than this. But as already stated, the true disgrams will be slightly different and will allow for extra time.

I agree with David. Commuter trsins dont stop in stations for more than 45 seconds anyway. So are they going to increase the station time to 75 secs to allow the doors to close early, or will you now only have 15 seconds to board the train? (I suppose it would reduce overcrowding.:D)

What we're really talking about is the SOP for staffed stations....because where a train is self regulating (ie; either as Driver Only Operation or with a guard) it very often only has a short dwell time at a station. Typically the DOO trains I drive will only have a realease for 20 seconds at most stations.

However at staffed stations on self regulating suburban routes there is usually an allowance of several minutes (which doesn't appear on the public timetable but can be clearly seen on the traincrew's schedule card). There are a number of reasons for why this is, but the most important is make-up time to allow for late running. The whole emphasis is to get the train away exactly at 00 seconds, and to do that the doors start to close at 15 seconds before.

Now that the slammers have gone and all trains have power doors, there is at least some justice in the world. By that I mean that the sort of people who turn up 7 seconds before the train was due to pull out (and cause it to be delayed by 30 seconds) are the very people who don't get a ride. Those people who got there on time now have the benefit of an on-time departure.

And just so as you don't think I'm biased; as well as driving a train I also commute for 3 hours a day on another TOC. Through no fault of my own I often turn up just as my going home train is closing its doors - and so I miss it. Poetic justice, some might say.

I thought you had to live within 30mins of your home depot? anyway getting back on track! (no pun intended). I have also driven DOO trains and I always left ontime unless I was late!. I heard a complaint once that a train left 3 seconds early! what planet are these people from?

if a train is to leave ontime the doors must shut before hand and with EU regs saying there has to be a bleeper for 5-7 seconds before the doors actually shut (FOR BLIND PEOPLE) which in itself take 3-5 seconds (assuming they want to shut on your last trip of the day!) logic states they will close early. people have to realise trains run to a timetable and not their personal needs.

This varies from TOC to TOC. Obviously if there are plenty of applicants, they can choose the ones who live closest. Luckily for me when I changed company they couldn't recruit any qualified drivers like myself for love nor money, so they had to accept the fact that I live 45 miles out from the depot.

It does get a little tricky though because by law drivers are required to have 12 hours off between rostered turns, and sometimes I get alot less than that.

you might be given 12hrs by law but they will always say "between rostered turns" and not from the time you get home.

Yup, that's exactly right.