Hi all!-NCC engines
 

Hello everyone:) ! I am seeking information about NCC engines.Please,dont laugh,but I really know very little about those marvelous feats of engineering that I remember fondly of since childhood.
I am at present comprising a "scrap book" of my family history which is intended to be past down the generations,each adding their own life history.
I have started with my grandfather who,I have found out was an NCC engine driver.Despite research,I can not find imformation about this.I know my father was a wagon repairer so from this I have assumed that they both worked in some area of the railway industry.What does NCC stand for?Is it a type of engine or the name of the industry he worked for?Can anyone enlighten me please?Both grandparents and parents are now deceased so I am at a loss regarding this.
Many thanks,Chris

NCC stood for Northern Counties Committee. They managed a series of railway lines in Northern Ireland and belonged to the LMS (London Midland and Scottish Railway) who had inherited them in the grouping of 1923. I'm afraid that's all I know,but I'm sure someone can expand on that. Coincidentally, I reckon your scrapbook idea is great.

Adam

NCC = Northern Counties Committee. Later variant became LMS (NCC).

And, yes, the NCC 4-4-0's were impressive engines and I think that No. 72 is preserved. At the moment I'm not in a position to check out what data I do have but I think all NCC locos emanated from the Derby worls of the Midland Railway and later the LMSR. Those impressive 4-4-0s seem to me to bear an uncanny resemblance to the S&DJR 4-4-0's only larger.

Good luck with your hunt.

Mike

Grandfather Irish by any chance?
NCC stands for Northern Counties Comittee

check out this link - http://www.steamindex.com/locotype/ireloco.htm#ncc

hope it helps

Welcome Chris.
I hope the forum can help you in your search for information and that you will continue to visit.

Welcome and all the best Chris and good luck with your search.

Chris.

robbo kindly posted a link (above) to the Back Track magaine index which is often useful but is far from current. What I hope I can find the time to do is to dig out is a more recent Back Track which has a brilliant article on Irish 4-4-0's. I've got parts 2 & 3 of the series and I'm hoping that the latter covers the NCC varieties.

Also on my list of things to do is to dig out my back-up disk with a very good image of No. 72 on it. A batch of recent scans also contained one not so very good shot of a NCC 4-4-0 awaiting scrap.

Mike

thats all correct. No 72 is in the Cultra Museum not far outside Belfast which Ive never visited but is on my TO DO list as it looks fabulous.

Late last evening I did dig out that shot of NCC No. 72 which is now available to view in the Forum's gallery.

Mike

Dont think he was Irish,he died when I was a baby so I never knew him.My father used to speak fluent Welsh and had rels in Swanea so I assumed that he was too.BUT now I know abit more about the engine history,I shall delve into the Irish census to see if I can find more info.Many thanks,Chris25

Thankyou for posting the picture.I shall put it in my "book" along with all the information I can gather about it with refernce to source.The Derby link is useful as they both lived in the Staffs area until 1950 so that has opened up a new branch for me to follow.

Chris, The article I mentioned is in Back Track Volume 20 No. 9 for September 2006 which can be purchased via this link: http://www.pendragonpublishing.co.uk...es_binders.htm

It seems that it's No. 74 that's preserved rather than 72 as I had thought. The image I posted probably dates from around 1950 but that's only an educated guess.

The article isn't exactly complimentary about the NCC's 4-4-0 locos and reckons that the LMS era moguls and 2-6-4T's knocked them into touch where performance was concerned. The author also notes that the last U2 (No. 74) was withdrawn in 1963 but that the UTA (successor to the NCC) had been absorbing cascaded GNR(I) 4-4-0's for years and that they were better performers than the native ones.

Mike