i have both and i like the ablility to easily make your own routes in Trainz but MSTS has more and generally better downloads and add-ons available, though Trainz is now getting there with the new 'Rail-Driver' based on the WSR which uses the trainz software.

I have tried both Trainz and MSTS, and I've got to say that I prefer the former. This is because of the better physics and altogether more 'quality' feel, like you're actually driving the train. I do however have a soft spot for Trainz, which does have some very, very nice eye candy - however it is let down quite badly on the realism front (the signalling is abysmal!)

Sam

Just bought 'Trainz' yesterday, and the bugger won't install. :( Luckily the eldest daughter works at the shop I got it from so I shouldn't have any trouble getting a refund.

BUMP!!!

I got a refund, and bought MSTS instead. I'm hooked. I love it! But I'm buggered if I can drive a steam loco very well. I ran out of steam on Denthead Viaduct. :o

I cant help help but notice that no-one has mentioned BVE - a superior sim in my opinion, which is also Freeware.

try www.trainsimcentral.co.uk

Aaah but ya can't look outside in BVE matey!

Trev, try putting the brakes into 'running' and opening the dampers! Also, use as little cutoff, or reverser, as possible.

Sam

I'm useless at steam loco's Sam, I just can't get to grips with the controls at all, and I have a mate who builds working models, for Gods sake!! And he can't make me understand!

I can drive the electrics and diesels in MSTS okay though, and I've managed to successfully complete a few of the short passenger runs.

I've also downloaded the Class 50's from Microsoft, which work fine, but I've noticed that a few sites give other downloads as well (including Class 76's :) ). Are the downloads from other sites safe and easy to install?

for downloads http://www.uktrainsim.com/ is one of the best for uk downloads, i'd recommend getting a speedy downloads 'ticket' for at least a month, it doesn't cost much and there is a huge library of stuff to download.

No, for UK downloads you want UKTRAINSIM at www.UKTRAINSIM.com over 7gb of UK stock. Use trainsim.com for US stuff. All of the stuff is safe to use - My MSTS folder is over 11gb big!!! Aslo see the list of other providers that I posted in this forum.!

Ben

soz, i meant that!!!!