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The 185 is certainly not suited to the route but then voyagers were hardly suitable either. My point really was that a route which most associate with 8 coach express trains gets 2 car (latter 3 car) trains for the stoppers and then runs them all the way to Nottingham, only to replace them with the only slightly more suitable Meridians, meaning that the 'Regional Express' service now provided by an Intercity operator is blighted by the 170s.
In reality, which is more suited to 170s, London to Nottingham, or Liverpool to Norwich? |
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The longest journey I've done on a 170 is Liverpool to Manchester but I would not have been dissatisified with the quality of the train if I was continuing my journey to Sheffield or Nottingham. |
I was on a 170 from Manchester to Peterborough, I will never be again!
The earliest I got a seat was Nottingham and even then it was only the vestibule one. Three coaches on a mid morning saturday service, not enough. I would rather take the 185 to Leeds before heading south for a similar journey time (from my house). |
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i think london midland is the most exciting of the new franchises, not only does it have a great name and livery, but there is going to be serious long needed investiment in turbostars to replace sprinters, and desiros to replace class 321 electric units. East Midlands Trains sees little improvement as far as i can see, whilst crosscountry sees downgrading though thats because theres a refusal to add more coaches to voyager units, so you end up taking away much needed facilities (one toilet and the shop)
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I agree, London Midland is a breath of fresh air after the whole Central Trains that was too large.
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