[steam for ever]

I can see the advantages of that 48111, but at least we get a variety of liveries now. Really I think the big four was a great idea, and that only failed in the first place because the Government did not pay them back for their efforts in the war. nationalisation was just a way to get around it.`

On the point of others, I don't actually think that some people know just how bad a condition these pacers are in. You can't expect all safety features to work perfectly if they are not looked after.