LMS Jubilee
 

I need some information about 45571 South Africa, 45595 Southern Rhodesia & 45621 Northern Rhodesia. When these loco were on BR's books, around the 1950's until they were cut up where they black or red? :confused:

Evening Syd, I do not think they were red and it is a toss up if they were Black or Brunswick green, I will try and find out for you.

I have just had a look Syd and I can only find B/W shots of these loco`s, the only one that looks green is 45595, the other two appear to be black.

Thanks for the update Chris. I did not even know they existed until I stumbled across a site that makes name plates and smoke box numbers for them.

back track did an 3 page speed on jubilees last year, i have a look for you the names do ring a bell and i thought most were green but may be worng on that one

This site has extensive photo collection of the class plus details of their shed allocations,unfortunately it didn't extend to livery.

http://www.jubilees.co.uk/details/

no 45621 nortern rhodesia is in br green photo from back trackvol24 no2. dated 24 may 1952 . i have had a look for the others which must be around some where, and i am sure all became br green in the end

Hi Syd,

I still haven't finished my survey of Jubillees in BR Black, got distracted by other things!

5571 in LMS Red to 4.11.49, BR smoke box number plate in Gill Sans fitted 15.10.48. Then BR Green, 4.11.49.

5595 in LMS lined black. BR Cabside number in 8" Gill Sans and BR smoke box number plate from 12.9.49 (Gill Sans). BR Green from 26.6.52.

5621 BR lined black 27.10.48, 8" Gill Sans cab side numbers. BR Green from 19.4.52. 10" Gill Sans cabside numbers.

Sorce: The Jubillee 4-6-0's: Ray Townsin.

Best wishes,

John H-T.

Thank you all for the information gents. I now need to buy 3 BR Green Jubilees and the smoke box numbers plus name plates. Not all at once or she (who spends well at M&S) will give me GBH of the ear for a long time.

i have seen 5621 with two diffrent tenders folwer and rivited both in green hope does not make things hard for you lol if you need dates i can look them up ?

Thanks farren, I'm working around 1950 to 1960

ok the 45621 with stanier riveted tender is in lms black then in br green only 2 photos found no new dates outher the 1952 as allreedy said, 45595 southern rohdesia seen with 4000 gallon riveted tender 1955 seen at dutton then by spt 1961 has a flush stanier tender. and 45571 14 apirl 1955 with folwer tender at accington shed stanier flush tender by 1960's no date. can not help on the fire box variant but they were like the black five's and swopt them around a lot at works. from the photo 45621 and 45595 may be short but not 100% sure hope this helps

Yes it is helpful farren, thanks.

Although boilers were swopped between locos at overhaul, as I understand it, the two types were not interchangeble. The sloping throatplate ones wouldn't fit in the frames of vertical throatplate locos. 45595 and 45571 were vertical, not sure about 45621. The Jubilees also had two different bogies. 6' 3" as used on the Patriots and the standard 6' 6" Stanier. 45595 and 45571 were Stanier but again I'm not sure about 45621

i never new that wel ive larnt some thing new today thank you KEN. SO which one dose bachmann make?also would one of the too said bogie types only go with one type of thoatplate?

Since my last post I've found out that the shorter 6' 3" bogies were on locos 5552 - 5556 and 5607 - 5654. so obviously 45621 would be one of these. The bogie types were not interchangeable. I'm not sure if any of the 6' 3" locos came with sloping throatplate. A bit more reading might be needed!

I'm not sure if it will help but take a look at this fantastic JUbilee site: www.jubilees.co.uk

Click on: "photographs" on the left and select the loco you wish....Then click on the photograph to access more (some are in colour).

Thank you Resolution. A very useful site as I have now found a photo of Nyasaland and Swaziland as well. I did not know that there were locos named after those countries as well.

DSY011, As you can tell from my chosen Forum name, I'm a great fan of the class. The proportions and tapered boiler design owe a great deal to it's Ex GWR designer of course, of which I'm also a fan.

But www.jubilees.co.uk is a fantastic site isn't it? Some of those photo's take me back years!...and I tell you what! Sometimes they make we almost weep at what has been destroyed. Ah Well! ....Progress! they say! Glad to be of help and hope you enjoy viewing the pics................Res.

All Jubilees eventually got BR green, although it took a few years after BR was formed in 1948. The RCTS book on the class has livery change dates if you need such info.

Bevan